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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfitz View Post
    what would you think irish songs are?
    Well anything related to Ireland-it's history, it's culture etc. It just so happens that we have a history of oppression, our songs reflect that. I'd like to see the likes of The Wild Rover sung too though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    Well anything related to Ireland-it's history, it's culture etc. It just so happens that we have a history of oppression, our songs reflect that. I'd like to see the likes of The Wild Rover sung too though.
    i agree but celtic was started for the working class catholics in glasgow so why shouldnt the likes of god bless the pope be sung?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfitz View Post
    i agree but celtic was started for the working class catholics in glasgow so why shouldnt the likes of god bless the pope be sung?
    Sing a religious song if you want, just don't bring into a Republican song-the two contradict each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    Sing a religious song if you want, just don't bring into a Republican song-the two contradict each other.
    i dont think they contradict the two tbh if republicans (just remember alot of old skool republicans were all practising catholics ) are open to all religions then they shouldnt have a problem with god bless the pope being belted out

    do republicans have a problem with fuck the queen being said ?

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    i dont think they contradict the two tbh if republicans (just remember alot of old skool republicans were all practising catholics ) are open to all religions then they shouldnt have a problem with god bless the pope being belted out
    I think they would. If all Republicans sang GBTP in a Republican song, then that's not being open to all religions, is it?

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    I don't really see the problem tbh GB, it's not like singing 'God Bless The Pope' means your against anybody else's religion necessarily. You might call it 'Triumphalism', but technically it's people expressing their religion. I know you said Repblicans don't like 'bigging up their religion' but am wondering why that is? It should be down to the individual to express it how they see fit surely.

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    FTQ-fuck the head the oppressive British state, who is also Commander-in-Chief of the British armed forces. I doubt Republicans have a problem with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    Sing a religious song if you want, just don't bring into a Republican song-the two contradict each other.
    To make a statement like that in such a matter-of-fact way is neglecting the reality of the nature of Republicanism in Ireland mate, surely you realise that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire View Post
    I don't really see the problem tbh GB, it's not like singing 'God Bless The Pope' means your against anybody else's religion necessarily. You might call it 'Triumphalism', but technically it's people expressing their religion. I know you said Repblicans don't like 'bigging up their religion' but am wondering why that is? It should be down to the individual to express it how they see fit surely.
    That's what I'm getting at mte. Republicans singing GBTP excludes other faiths. How would you feel if (hypothetically obviously) Republicans were all Muslims and said they 'guaranteed religious and civil liberty for all citizens' then, say, released a political newspaper called 'All Hail Allah'? Hardly smacks of 'religious liberty', does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    I think they would. If all Republicans sang GBTP in a Republican song, then that's not being open to all religions, is it?
    hows it not? it just means there embracing there own or do all republicans have to be 'non believers' just so they dont discrimate?

    now the add on about protestants now i dont agree with that because it shows its not being open to all and if we shouted ' fuck the jews' or ' fuck of you buddists' then yea thats not being open at all but shouting god bless the pope is just embracing a religion that is the main religion (wether you like it or not) in ireland!

    thats what bugs me catholic religion is the main one in ireland but because it may offend other religions we have to tone it down bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Mac View Post
    To make a statement like that in such a matter-of-fact way is neglecting the reality of the nature of Republicanism in Ireland mate, surely you realise that?
    No, that's nationalism you're thinking of. Go up to almost any Republican and say 'I can't wait for a UI, a real catholic state, give them orangees a taste of their own medicine' and see what reaction you get. And remember-the struggle is for a Socialist Republic, but the church always backs the rich and powerful, not to mention preaching against Republicans who opposed the treay, undermining the Hunger Strikers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    FTQ-fuck the head the oppressive British state, who is also Commander-in-Chief of the British armed forces. I doubt Republicans have a problem with that.
    aye but her ancestors started the protestant religion so your discriminating against that religion, point im trying to make is it seem certain republicans pick and chose the rules to what way to go about religions!

    me i shout fuck the queen cause literally i wish she would fuck right of just like when i sing god bless the pope i really do mean that

    ps before people jump down my throat im using the queen as an example i dont like her her children or anything to do with the royal family in fact if they disappeared forever if probably throw a party

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    That's what I'm getting at mte. Republicans singing GBTP excludes other faiths. How would you feel if (hypothetically obviously) Republicans were all Muslims and said they 'guaranteed religious and civil liberty for all citizens' then, say, released a political newspaper called 'All Hail Allah'? Hardly smacks of 'religious liberty', does it?
    The two aren't quite the same though man. GBTP has no reference whatsoever to any other religion, positive or nagative, wheras AHA sort of implies that EVERYONE should be of the same faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfitz View Post
    hows it not? it just means there embracing there own or do all republicans have to be 'non believers' just so they dont discrimate?

    now the add on about protestants now i dont agree with that because it shows its not being open to all and if we shouted ' fuck the jews' or ' fuck of you buddists' then yea thats not being open at all but shouting god bless the pope is just embracing a religion that is the main religion (wether you like it or not) in ireland!

    thats what bugs me catholic religion is the main one in ireland but because it may offend other religions we have to tone it down bullshit
    I never said non-believers ffs, I said it's a private issue, go to church if you want but why does everyone have to know you're a catholic? Republicans can practice catholicism in their own time if they choose to.

    How would you feel if I said 'Protestants are in the majority in the O6C, they can march wherever they want, they don't have to tone it down'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire View Post
    The two aren't quite the same though man. GBTP has no reference whatsoever to any other religion, positive or nagative, wheras AHA sort of implies that EVERYONE should be of the same faith.
    Just an example, the point is-keep religion out of politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfitz View Post
    aye but her ancestors started the protestant religion so your discriminating against that religion, point im trying to make is it seem certain republicans pick and chose the rules to what way to go about religions!

    me i shout fuck the queen cause literally i wish she would fuck right of just like when i sing god bless the pope i really do mean that

    ps before people jump down my throat im using the queen as an example i dont like her her children or anything to do with the royal family in fact if they disappeared forever if probably throw a party
    Monarchism is not protestantism though. I hate royalty, doesn't mean I hate their religion. By that logic, if I said 'Fuck the pope cos he was a nazi', then I hate the catholic faith.

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    I think the point is -- sing what you want to sing. If others join in, better.
    Don't begrudge what other people want to sing unless it's sectarian (not an issue) or racist (not an issue either), etc.
    If people want to sing IRA stuff -- let 'em.
    If people want to sing about the Pope -- let 'em.
    Nobody is forcing you to join in, and nobody should be forcing anyone to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    Monarchism is not protestantism though. I hate royalty, doesn't mean I hate their religion. By that logic, if I said 'Fuck the pope cos he was a nazi', then I hate the catholic faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshin View Post
    I think the point is -- sing what you want to sing. If others join in, better.
    Don't begrudge what other people want to sing unless it's sectarian (not an issue) or racist (not an issue either), etc.
    If people want to sing IRA stuff -- let 'em.
    If people want to sing about the Pope -- let 'em.
    Nobody is forcing you to join in, and nobody should be forcing anyone to stop.
    That's what I meant, I was just reffering to it in a specific case. If a section of Celtic fans want sing UTR, then grand. If they want to sing GBTP, grand. I was just pointing the Republican position on religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalwayBhoy View Post
    No, that's nationalism you're thinking of. Go up to almost any Republican and say 'I can't wait for a UI, a real catholic state, give them orangees a taste of their own medicine' and see what reaction you get. And remember-the struggle is for a Socialist Republic, but the church always backs the rich and powerful, not to mention preaching against Republicans who opposed the treay, undermining the Hunger Strikers...
    wooo woo stall the ball here GB i think your personal opinions on religion are clouding your judgement here
    1) i never ever have thought oh I can't wait for a UI, a real catholic state, give them orangees a taste of their own medicine, practice whatever religion you want doesnt bother me and the orangees can walk up and down whatever road they want because it will be ina united IRELAND they will be doing it in

    2) you of all people should know the history of ireland and you should know the catholic religion was oppressed for many a long year by the brits and many a republican fought for the right to be able to practise there religion freely and openly it seems the republicans now a days forget that fact and seem hell bent on 'putting the catholic church in there place'

    3) The catholic church does alot of good work to help the poor and needy, yea i agree the catholic church does have alot of money and should release alot of it but i also see the good work the catholic people have done to help those less fortunate, the missionaries abroad and the likes of st vincent de paul who help the poor in ireland all that good work is never praised because its more fashionable to knock the catholic church (Its not perfect i agree but alot of good work is overshadowed) every year my parish prays for those who lost their lives fighting for their freedom, the anniversary of each hunger striker is prayed for, those murdered in derry are prayed for and every easter sunday there is a service especially for the easter rising victims

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